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The Brain Leading MUN@Home - Part 1 of 2

September 28, 2020 MUN Impact Season 1 Episode 6
ComMUNiqué
The Brain Leading MUN@Home - Part 1 of 2
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MUN Impact’s growth and consolidation in 2020 is due, in no small part, to the phenomenal success of MUN@Home, an online, asynchronous program that teaches students about the UN Sustainable Development Goals while also helping foster connections and change-making networks the world over. Central to the growth of this important branch of MUN Impact is Jaideep Singh, its Secretary-General, who is a passionate public speaker, gifted moderator, and first-year chemical engineering student in Singapore. In this Part 1 of 2, he describes the MUN@Home leadership structure, how this structure leads to its success, and the progression of MUN@Home since its inception in April 2020.

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Podcast Name: ComMUNiqué

Podcast Producer: MUN Impact

Episode Title: The Brain Leading MUN@Home - Part 1 of 2 (How MUN@Home Works)

Episode Number: 6

Host: Erik Novak

Guest: Jaideep Singh

Date Published: September 28, 2020


Episode Description: MUN Impact’s growth and consolidation in 2020 is due, in no small part, to the phenomenal success of MUN@Home, an online asynchronous platform that teaches students about the UN Sustainable Development Goals while also helping foster connections and changemaking networks the world over. Central to the growth of this important branch of MUN@Home is Jaideep Singh, its Secretary General, who is a passionate public speaker, gifted moderator, and first-year chemical engineering student in Singapore. In this Part 1 of 2, he describes how the MUN@Home leadership structure is set, and how that leads to its success, and discusses leadership in general, and the progression of MUN@Home since its inception a few brief months ago in April 2020.

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Erik Novak: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the world's premier podcast at the intersection of education, social engagement and the work of the United Nations proper. If you enjoy our work, don't forget to like, share, follow, subscribe, and share our work with your friends and colleagues. I am your host, Erik Novak. And this is ComMUNiqué. Today, I am thrilled to have on Jaideep Singh. Jaideep is a 19 year old student at NTU, Singapore studying chemical engineering. He currently serves as the secretary general of the MUN at home program. One of the largest, most active branches of MUN Impact. Ever since attending THIMUN Qatar, where he met MUN Impact executive director, Lisa Martin, Jaideep has worked closely with her. Over time he began writing articles for the MUN Impact blog on an ad hoc basis, but it's important to the organization concretized and he signed up to be a mentor for the novel MUN@Home program in March, 2020. As the program rapidly scaled, he was selected to become its first secretary general in April 2020 Jaideep's favorite MUN projects throughout  have been MUN@Home, Online MUN and most certainly the recently organized MUN Impact Global Summit. Well Jaideep it's a pleasure to have you on that ComMUNiqué today. And from my perspective, it seems like you can attribute much of MUN@Home's excellence to your phenomenally competent leadership. Nevertheless, I wanted to start us off by asking you to elaborate a bit more on how you originally got involved with MUN Impact as a whole.


Jaideep Singh: [00:01:51] Thank you, Erik, for that very kind introduction and hello to all the viewers here, to all the listeners.  it's great to be here,  being,  a part of the ComMUNiqué podcast.  I'd like to just touch base on what Erik asked again. Again, he asks how I got involved in MUN Impact. So I have been a part of the MUN family,  especially in Qatar where I completed my high schooling before I came to Singapore for about five years.

And that's where I met Lisa. And Lisa is one of the people who's inspired me the most in this MUN,  in this MUN journey of about five to six years. And that's where we essentially started. Having discussions on the SDGs. So not only were we working on,  propagating the, the model United nations program throughout the country and through the youth, but also trying to link it to the sustainable development goals. And that's where Lisa and, and her colleagues came up with the MUN Impact program, and that's what I heard about it first. And,  As we were there, we, you know, made our conferences really SDG oriented, following the theme of,  what Lisa had thought of,  when, when immune impact was formed and then on when, even after she left THIMUN Qatar and shifted to the States, we were in contact because I then served as a deputy secretary general of THIMUN Qatar 2019. And we did a few SDG oriented activities for outreach to the youth. One of which was,  a workshop organized by myself and my colleagues at THIMUN Qatar with regards to SDG,  three. And we also worked on improving good health and wellbeing amongst the youth, as well as the ideas of quality education, gender equality, all oriented with the SDGs through workshops at very big events, such as the Qatar national library,  which is one of the biggest libraries in the Middle East. Essentially through this aspect, we did these small ad hoc activities and for which I wrote blogs for the MUN Impact website. And that's how I was involved in MUN Impact subtly, for most of the time before MUN@Home came into being. So after the COVID-19 pandemic, that's when,  the pandemic struck us at the beginning of this year,  Lisa and a few of the other brilliant minds, that immune impact came up with the idea of having something oriented along the lines of SDGs teaching MUN, and also,  you know, exposing our young delegates who are stuck in their homes to SDG speakers, to youth activists, right at the comfort of their homes in a scenario where we can't really go outside at the moment. So she came up with the idea of MUN@Home, and then it was a small program at the start where I joined as a mentor, because I wanted to now get into more than something, more hands on, not just writing articles. And that's where we came up with the idea of expanding this to a much bigger scale where I came up with the leadership program and the leadership structure and how we should take this forth. And that's where I became the secretary general in April, 2020. And from there we have been on a roll. We are now in our seventh or eighth month. I have to count that. But we are doing amazingly well, and that's not just my efforts. It's the efforts of my entire leadership team, my mentors, my amazing deputy secretary general, my under-secretary generals and all of those involved in the program who have made it a great success as of now. So that's my MUN Impact journey for now. The summit was somewhere where I worked as well, but we'll get to that,  in a few minutes, but yeah, that's how I've gotten to MUN Impact. 


Erik Novak: [00:05:34] Amazing. And I mean, I have to say that since I was the person who then the data analysis and the data organization for the sign up sheets for MUN@Home every, since the first session first,  the first round I did it very hands on from the first of the fister.

So, and now I've distanced myself a little bit from that job, but nevertheless, I think distinctly remember being extremely impressed with how much it was growing and how structured everything seemed to be. And the fact that you had students from literally all over the place, students that came back later and decided to become mentors. While, first having been, participants only, and everything seemed incredibly competently made. And like someone was trying and succeeding in for seeing the woes and difficulties that someone might face and readily rectifying that even before they did. So I'm pretty sure that everyone's experience as a participant in MUN@Home has been extremely high quality and especially you've gotten amazing speakers to engage with the students every Saturday. Could you speak a little bit more about the leadership structure that you envisioned and fermented, Jaideep? 


Jaideep Singh: [00:07:04] Sure. Thank you, Erik. So this is something I'm asked a lot of the time, even by a lot of our delegates who are very overenthusiastic to get into leadership positions. And it's great to see that because they want to grow as individuals. They want to grow in the capacity of how they apply the leadership skills they've learned in model UN. So in March, when we began, the program was relatively small, so we've just begun. And we started off with just two cohorts and I think each cohort had around 20 delegates, 20 to 30 delegates, not more than that. We had around six mentors for our cohort and we didn't have a leadership structure. So it was just mentors. And we were working under Lisa and a few of the other board members, but no leadership structure as such and as I had worked with Lisa for long, I knew that the projects we usually begin working on, especially things like, O-MUN, which is a very good example of that. So, as we began working on these online programs, they often a big, they shoot up because essentially people, especially in this COVID,  crisis,  period are really forward to something to do online, to get involved in something online, something virtually, so that they can compensate for the loss they're having to not attend a physical conference and another problem and another added problem to that was a lot of physical conference, conferences at that time got canceled. So this,  you know, grew the audience for, and the, and the demand for a virtual conference,  scenario or a virtual MUN program. And although we did have O-MUN already, O-MUN was more of a debate based program. It didn't teach MUN directly at the time. And that's what Lisa envisioned. And we came up with MUN@Home, where we taught the course. With MUN basics, but oriented to the SDGs. And in March, the program showed a lot of an amazing response. To be honest, mentors were really active. We had some amazing mentors, all experienced folks. And then I thought that maybe, okay, this is going to grow some into something big. And you know, this is, this is showing a very good response in its very first month, even though we didn't promote it that much at the time.  and then I talked to Lisa and said, okay, maybe we should think of something and try to have it a bit more organized so that in subsequent rounds, we can actually draw up a vision of how to grow this.

And in the subsequent rounds, we could actually make changes to it. We could make it a bit more realistic, maybe a bit more unique and maybe even a bit more informative and fun, to be honest. So that's where I came up with this idea and  Lisa really, really took it positively. She really appreciated and understood, and she went ahead and said, okay, let's, let's come up with a leadership structure. So in the beginning, I just suggested that we should have a secretary general. Obviously we should then have deputy secretary generals.  deputy secretary general. And those could include,  some of the deputy secretary general, who would control the cohorts, who would be in charge for the cohorts, looking, the mentors are doing their job correctly. Everything is going smoothly, and since we had two different types of cohorts, one was for middle school students and one set of cohorts was for high school students. So we had to have two DSG's for those separately. And then we would have a separate DSG who would work on social media outreach, and then we would have a fourth DSG who would work on a planning out the course and making variations to it changes to it on an ad hoc basis, depending on the feedback we got from each round. So in this way, we, we had clear in our mind that we weren't going to remain a stagnant course, we were going to keep changing it as and when we saw that something needed change and we could make something better, we were always open to change.

We still are open to change. And that's one of the reasons why we have been able to grow.  So this was the basic structure I had thought of it. Then later on, this had some variations. We had one DSG and under-secretary generals under the DSG. So, Ameena El-Agha, she's my DSG and an amazing DSG. And then we have under-secretaries general for strategic mentorship.

We have some full cohorts,  social media. And all of these people work together at different times. Maybe we have even one USG for the debate. So the final debate at the end of each round is controlled, is mainly planned out by that USG it's, Ethan at the moment, an amazing guy, another, another one of our brilliant leaders. And that's how essentially our leadership structure, because of it being so close knit, because of it having so much experience, that's how we've been able to take this program to a mere two cohorts, or to be honest, if you look at the numbers, a mere 70 to 80 delegates in the first round, we have grown up to a peak of as high as 300 delegates at one point in time. So this is how any structure for that matter, not just immune or tomb. It goes when you have experienced folks who are dedicated, passionate, and who are welcome the change. And that's how. You know, it's because of this leadership structure, we have had people from the UN come up to us and tell us you're doing a brilliant job. We have had sessional speakers from the United Nations. We have had sessional speakers from the UNHCR. We have had sessional speakers for the UNODC. And all of these folks say that this is a brilliant way of reaching out to the youth, telling young students as, as young, as middle schoolers to high schools students in their final year, that SDGs are MUN oriented. And that's a very good way of teaching SDGs, not just telling them what it is, but trying to help them think in the direction of how we can come up with solutions related to the SDGs with a background of model United Nations, it helps you in public speaking. It helps you in personality development at the same time. It helps you think critically about global issues, which the UN is trying to talk about for a very long time. And we are now in the decade of action. And this is, this is the time we really need to start talking about it. That's what we are doing. And that's how we're doing. 


Erik Novak: [00:13:09] Fantastic. Thanks for your eloquence Jaideep. I definitely believe that the SDGs have slowly, but surely started gaining more  to the MUN scene as a whole in part to the work of MUN Impact of course, and also in part due to the fact that people's lanes and understanding of them has grown over the years, what all, they were only instituted in 2015. And I think that one of the best ways to propagate the message has definitely been what MUN@Home has been doing over the last few months in particular, last time I checked, we had engaged with just under 1500 unique students from, I think, over 110 countries, but don't quote me on those numbers because they are probably bigger at this point. Nevertheless, I think that this is just testament to how much the program has impacted people all over the world and certainly to the elegance and excellence of the leadership structure that you implemented, because I was working behind the scenes with the things since the first round. And I distinctly remember how rag tag and unstructured it seemed at the time versus how well set and smooth it already became perhaps by round three. So it was, it was a major shift, major change overall. One thing I wanted you to maybe hone in a little bit more on was the speakers that you guys invite for every Saturday. And these speakers have been very high profile individuals at times. So I wanted to know a little bit more about how you contact these speakers. What is the thing they do in general, in these Saturdays and what sort of responses and feedback they have given to you in the program as a whole over time? 


Jaideep Singh: [00:15:06] Well, thank you for that question, Erik.  So essentially,  Lisa is the liason for MUN Impact, to the United Nations Department of Global Communications. And we have contacts to the United Nations and they know the work we are doing so often when we have a round, which,  where we know that, okay. We can reach out to someone from the UN who's working in this, in this field. We reach out to them either through Lisa or through Natabara, Natabara is one of our board members at MUN Impact. Again, it goes back and he too has an off context of the United Nations. And because of all of these people,  We are being recognized with the, by the work we are doing. People know what we are doing, especially at MUN@Home. And one good example of this is the real UN. So the real UN was the program,  run by Brendan Varma and his colleagues. And these folks are going off from the UN Department of Global Communications. And,  they came up to our program and they essentially have this idea that they come up to MUN conference and they tell the delegates, how the actual United Nations looks like. So it's not like what we are doing in MUN is the correct procedure. It may be slightly different. So I think,  one thing which they consistently emphasize on is consensus building, which is not there in a lot of MUN conferences, key in the actual UN. So they came up through our program and we have the opportunity. We had the honor rather to host them twice at our program as sessional speakers. And delegates had an amazing insight on how the actual unit. So we always had, Brendan was a UN official.  come up and give the, give the side of the UN on certain issues, with Brendan, they would always be a member state delegate, an actual member, state delegate. We have had,  delegates of,   two countries in South Asia who came up with Brendan and they, the perspective of a member nation. How would a member nation look at general assembly debates and resolution debates. So in essence, delegates got an idea of how you have different things going on at the UN, but they are seen by different parties, through different lenses, depending on which capacity they work in. So in this way, delegates who wish to be diplomats, got an insight, delegates who wish to be UN workers, got an insight, and these are some big profile workers as high profile. UN officials who came up and talked to us in, in, in addition to this, we have had speakers from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. And since we had recently around on SDG 16.3, which is equal justice to all it's last month, actually we had the UNODC Gilberto, one of our very close contacts at the UNODC who's the founder of the education for justice initiative. He has been working very closely with MUN Impact and he too was a part of the program last round, where he talked about the UNODC's work on justice with a colleague of his, of course, in this way, we've had people come up. From the United nations, we have even had diplomats of countries come up and talk to us. The actual diplomats gotten sitting diplomats who have come to talk to us. And one of them is the diplomat of,  the United States to Ethiopia who came and talked to us about his experience as a diplomat, how he became a diplomat, what, what experiences he has had with his missions. So in essence, All of these sessional speakers, some of them are not even UN workers. Some of them are youth activists who come up and talk to us about, they have done who come up and, you know, tell us about their innovations, how they have come up with solutions to impact the community.  One of these,  is, is one very high profile innovator who was from the United States. And,  she Hannah, Hannah Herberst. And she is actually someone who's been awarded by the United States government for our efforts in innovation. And she came up and talked to us during our discussions on SDG 17, which was on partnerships for innovations and she talked to us about innovation, how innovation is important, science and tech, and not just in science and tech, in sustainable technologies, in gender. So that's one way in which we have tried to impact our delegates, not just through diplomacy, not just through a UN based things, but even through youth activists, we've actually shown some impact in the communities. In this way, our sessional speakers have been a crux of our program, and certainly delegates have benefited from there as well. That's why we have such big numbers coming in. It's basically the connection we draw. 


Erik Novak: [00:19:52] Very Interesting, especially with some of the speakers that you highlighted there. It really goes to show how high profile and competent and at the top of their game they are. And so clearly this must have been a truly memorable experience for the participants and everything free of cost from the comfort of their homes in an entirely remote and generally asynchronous format. Now speaking of asynchronous format, the way that the program works MUN@Home, that is, to my understanding is that participants engage in a type of a public discussion forum for the longest time that was Edmodo. But now we are transitioning into TigED. I might be pronouncing this wrong correctly, but the fact is what exactly does the program entail from a prodigal perspective?


Jaideep Singh: [00:20:46] So in essence, basically it's a four week course and we started off with three weeks, but now it's a four week course in which we teach delegates about the very basics of MUN. So we begin with things like, Oh, and since we are going to keep this SDG oriented, there's always a specific SDG for every month. So if, for example, I want to take this month, which is September, we are discussing a SDG, 6.6. And in essence, this is about,  the preservation of water related ecosystems. So we're going to tell our delegates, okay, you're going to, I'll read about all the SDGs. That's what they do first. And then they go on to read about the specific SDG. In this way, we are first giving them a background on what SDGs are and what SDGs they are going to discuss, and they talk about their favorite SDG. And then they talk about how what they think about the SDG we are discussing for that frog. The second thing is country research the second week. And in the second week, this country research again is a pivotal element of any MUN conference, because delegates need to know about their country's policies on the issue and in general, their country's foreign policy, because that's how they're going to know what their alliances are. That's how they're going to know how they're going to shape their debate. That's how they're going to know about,  how they can propose specific solutions in a way this also helps delegates know about other countries and that's an added benefit, but yeah, that's country research. That's in the second week. In the third week, we have policy statements and opening speeches. So delegates read through some resources which we share and then they make policy statements and opening speeches, again, pivotal elements of any MUN conference. And then in the fourth week we tell them to make resolutions. And these resolutions are then used for our final online debate at the end of the fourth week. Now some people would ask me, okay, sort of give them stuff. How did they actually learn about it? Well we actually have, Saturday sessions every week on zoom, where we have the Mentors of the cohorts, so the teachers in the course, what students, rather, they come up and teach the delegates, mentor, the deli, it gets on the assignments and the tasks for that week. So they in essence learn about it through a face to face interaction with their mentors first. And then in the following week they actually complete those assignments. So in this way, we have something called an asynchronous mentoring system. And in this way, delegates actually feel that they are interacting with people, they are interacting with mentors, they're interacting with other delegates and as a Erik said, you have now moved on to TIGed from Edmodo and TIGed has these very amazing functions where delegates can even communicate with one another directly. And in this way, we are actually connecting people from all over, all over the world, through the SDGs and the MUN. This is how MUN@Home is basically structured. But yeah,  as I, as I mentioned before, we are always open to change. And from feedback we've received from this round, we actually planning to bring a second tier course, we are working on a second tier course, it's already ready and it's going to be used to this round in which we are going to teach new ideas, advanced ideas. To returning MUN@Home delegates. So they come into an advanced course where they learn about consensus building, block formation, better resolutions, and how they can debate through alliances. So much more advanced level of things from what they've learned in the first beginner's round.


Erik Novak: [00:24:14] That's some hot information, hot off the printing press it seems. And I'm, I'm, I'm excited to see what the scores entails and of course, MUN@Home has also expanded into multiple different languages. Firstly with Spanish, with YudLeads in Ecuador, if I'm not mistaken. And most recently there have been initiatives to try running programs in other languages as well. Can you speak a little bit about the successes that these languages Gnostic programs have had? 


Jaideep Singh: [00:24:49] So,  I'm happy you brought that up. So initially we had just the English version, obviously, and then on, we had,  some partners from YudLeads in Ecuador and some Spanish partners who came up and said, well, we have a very big Spanish audience in our MUN@Home program. And since that's the case, maybe we can do something in Spanish. And Lisa took this up very, very positively, finally,  I think around April or May, I'm not too sure about the exact month, but in April on me, we started MUNenC@sa, which basically translates to him, you know, told him in Spanish. And this happened to be one of the best initiatives, which has sprung out as a sisterhood initiative of MUN@Home because Spanish audience indeed is in large numbers and these folks, when they,  spoke in their own language, when they communicated in their own language. And in fact that sessional speakers from the UN in their own language, it really reached out to the core of some of our MUN participants. And this actually  expanded to non-English speaking audiences and increased the base,  of MUN at homes initiative. And in fact, obviously,  the, the purpose of this program and the organization in general is to teach as SDG's to everyone across the globe, regardless of what background they come from. And if someone isn't English speaking, they shouldn't be left out. So MUNenC@sa was a brilliant initiative where all Spanish speaking delegates were also reached out to and really worked out. And it's still ongoing and doing brilliantly. You know, being inspired by this we had other people come up with initiatives and other languages and some of them are still work in progress.  one of which is the MUN and Arabic program and that's still a work in progress probably will begin by October because again, we have a large Arabic speaking audience from the Middle East as well. So in essence, the basic idea of these multi-lingual universal system we are creating at MUN@Home is to make sure that. The purpose for which we are doing this is met. This is we are not doing this to gain popularity. We are not doing this to increase numbers, to make ourselves known across the world. That's not our main purpose. Our purpose is to teach as SDG's. Our purpose is to reach out to every student possible, regardless of background.

That is why these multilingual programs which have come up are a brilliant way for reaching out to delegates with our purpose. And in a sense, this is making us a diverse community, which I'm very, very proud of. And I've been following up on MUN in Arabic. We also have initiative,  initiatives being brought up for MUN in Hindi.

We have one for MUN in Urudu, and now these are things still work in progress. Still need to be thought upon, but because people are coming in and talking about it, it just shows that there is diversity. There is a strong willpower and passion to reach this out, to all delegates, to a lot of people across the world. And that is what we are trying to do. And I really, really hope this works out well. And it will be something I'll be really proud of if it does, but yes, MUNenC@sa is a beautiful example that it can, and I'm sure it would work out with other languages as well.


Erik Novak: [00:28:09] Well, thanks for that information Jaideep. And I'm really excited to see what the program evolves into over the next few months, because clearly there are several different initiatives in the works, including different multiple languages, as well as a more expert level, expert level course for returning participants, which is something I had actually thought of informally a few months ago, because I thought to myself, well, how exactly should they cultivate returning customers? Right. These people, even though they be learning about different SDGs, there'd be a lot of overlap, with things that they had already learned. So how to cultivate this return.  I ended up never verbalizing this to anyone, but it's amazing to see that you did. And the program has really grown as a result because of all of this. So ultimately I feel like certainly there's a lot to unpack here in terms of what's ahead, but it seems that with the visionaries, such as yourself at the helm, one can only hope that. What ends up panning out in reality is as incredible as what's stated. And this is proven to be the case time and time again.

So again, for all of you listeners out there, definitely check back and on MUN@Home in a few months time. And I would be surprised if most of what you Jaideep says has not become a reality by then. That said every leader has had issues and moments of self doubt, moments of difficulty having to adapt to less than ideal circumstances. Perhaps you could relate a moment where you had to modify previously existing plan or be more flexible because of some issue that happened. 


Jaideep Singh: [00:30:08] So, thankfully I've not had any such a very bad experience with MUN@Home. Everything has been very, very smooth God-willing, but,  I think one thing which,  which does go wrong at times is when we are in the process of recruiting mentors. And this has been an issue over the past two rounds where we have recruited mentors, but then again, some mentors don't show up some mentors don't reply and our USG's end up panicking, but they are amazing leaders of course. And we always plan out something to,  to fix that, but as such,  It's it's all about, you know, this is something I've learned is that if you have a good day, if you have an efficient team, if you have people who are dedicated and passionate, you can always find solutions to even the darkest of problems. Thankfully, we've not had any such problem. As of yet. I think the only problem we do have at times has been mentors don't reply because they log in, they register for the, I just feel for mentoring, but when the round actually begins and when we reach out to them, they don't reply. So in essence, you know, it becomes a panic situation for us because we have a shortage of mentors at times, but we always have substitutes because our group of mentors, you know, a large pool of our mentors is very, very dedicated.

And whenever we reach out to them, they've always been very responsive, come up and become lead mentors, even. So in, in, in an essence, it all is based on how good your team is, how well you can even work with them. Actually, it's not just about being good about it. You need to be very cohesive with each other. You need to be very cooperative with each other. And thankfully I've had the opportunity of working with such a team and it's been a wonderful experience. And to anyone who isn't a leadership position, I would always say that this is a, this is basically what we need to do. We need to have a team which works cohesively, which works cooperatively, which echoes constructive dialogue. And that's what has happened in my team. In my case, I've never had,   any, you know, very severe disagreements with my team members. Even if we do, we really talk it out very constructively. And I, as a leader, make sure that I am not imposing my opinions on my team members because we are working as a family.

We are like friends, to be honest. And when we work, we listen to each other. I take in inputs, they take in mine and that's how we work. It's just constructive dialogue. If you do this, it's very unlikely that you will have a very severe problem as such, at least in my case, I haven't had such an experience. Well, Jaideep, thank you so much for your information and for your eloquence and everything that you've elaborated on regarding MUN@Home as a whole, I think this should elucidate to our curious listeners, precisely what this very active and very evoke, very actively evolving branch of MUN Impact. What this branch actually entails. What's in store for it in the future and what it's accomplished already. I'm really excited to see what comes out of this. And I think this conversation's far from over to which I say to you, dear listener, tune in because this will become a two part episode. So, I think there is quite a bit still to discuss with Jaideep, which we will discuss shortly, but for now it already seems incensus is very clear that the future looks bright indeed. Both for Jaideep as well as for MUN@Home as a whole, Here's to  the future. We hope you listener enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to like share, follow, subscribe, and show this episode to your friends and colleagues. But for now, this has been ComMUNiqué. We yield the floor until next time.